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Fox News Declines in Ratings: Sean Hannity Down by 50% & Bill O'Reilly Down by 26% After 2012 Election

Is the GOP propaganda machine declining in popularity as fast as Fox News? Can Republicans keep being "the stupid party," as Gov. Bobby Jindal put it, and still win elections?

Fox News is finally beginning to pay a price for its intentional misinformation, perpetual outrage, and polarizing rhetoric. Fox's ratings are down significantly, according to Reed Richardson in the 4/26/13 Nation.

Fox still has the best ratings in the cable news biz, but compare its surge to 539,000 prime-time viewers following Obama's 2009 inauguration with its drop to 267,000 average nightly viewers in January 2013. That's a 50% drop in viewers. Viewership is dropping as fast as assault weapons and ammunition are flying off the shelves in gun stores.

Did the drop have anything to do with Fox's rosy pre-election predictions of victory for the GOP? Karl Rove was clearly flabbergasted that Obama won Ohio on the night of the election.

Did Rove know something we didn't know? Was he planning to pull a switcheroo with votes in key Ohio counties? Has he done it before? I read that one of Gov. Mitt Romney's sons bought thousands of voting machines in Ohio. If Rove did intend to steal another election, I read that there are at least strong rumors that Anonymous stopped Rove's computer corrupters cold and kept the ballot count results as they were.

Speaking of Karl Rove, supposedly Karl Rove is trying to rid the Republican Party of whack-jobs like Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri, who ran against Sen. Claire McCaskill and lost. Akin's ignorant remarks about how women's reproductive systems "shut down" during and after a "legitimate rape," whatever that means, made him infamous. Women were not amused. Akin lost an election that was his to lose, given McCaskill's ethical problems, just like Mitt Romney.

Karl Rove's antipathy concerning Iowa Republican Rep. Steve King's unfortunate similarities to loser Todd Akin is supposedly motivating King to run against Iowa's 1st District Rep. Bruce Braley for retiring Sen. Tom Harkin's seat. So far, King hasn't had the money or the guts to announce that he's running, but he still could.

Republican Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana said, "We've got to stop being the stupid party."

The GOP had no problem being the stupid party as long as Republicans voted for them. J. David Kuo, a religious fundamentalist who worked in George W. Bush's White House, quickly learned that Bush administration insiders had something less than the deepest respect for the religious right, but they didn't mind using the religious right for political gain.

Disenchanted, David Kuo, the religious fundamentalist who directed an office so close to the center of power, wrote a book about his disillusionment with how Bush/Cheney et al. really felt about folks like him. Certainly, his presence in the White House was obligatory, but insiders not only kept him at a distance but made fun of evangelicals.

I don't think Karl Rove minded the right-wing whack-jobs until they started costing the Republicans elections that were theirs to lose. Rove prefers to win, and he doesn't mind what he has to do to get there.

Can the Republicans, and by extension, Fox News, stop being the stupid party without antagonizing their base? The test case will be immigration reform. Republicans know they lost Latino voters in the last election by huge margins, so they'd like to make a gesture by taking up immigration reform.

Immigration reform is a test case. If the Republicans can't reach out to Latinos on immigration, they may not be flexible enough to attract enough voters beyond the elderly white males they already have.

And why would that be a problem? Because their elderly white male base is literally dying.

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Rick Langel May 09, 2013 at 01:23 PM
"The big industrial firms accepted slave labor from the Nazi state in order to keep their factories running: the Nazi state acted as a labor clearing house, contracting for and receiving payment for the slave labor it provided to privately-owned firms." Yet again you explain how the few in power in the Nazi government used their power to gain wealth and control the means of production. You describe socialism very well, and libertarianism not at all. "Nazi Germany was the greatest criminal kleptocracy of the 20th century, but it was hardly a "socialist" regime." Except that you describe in every point you try to make a socialist government.
Rick Langel May 09, 2013 at 01:25 PM
Wow, Joe. You are making so many attacks with absolutely no facts to back it up. Keep making the attacks, Joe, and ignoring the facts presented. It only goes to destroy your credibility even faster.
Rick Langel May 09, 2013 at 01:28 PM
Oh, Joe. On which issues are you left-leaning and which are you right-leaning? I once asked you to take a stand on a variety of major issues, and you refused to do so. Then you falsely claimed you'd already answered the question yet had failed to be able to point to where. "Patch is doing itself no favor by allowing such deliberate and with malice aforethought threadjacking on their site. Time to send the ambassador packing and back to Derpistan." Ah, thought you supported free speech. Guess not. Yet another Progressive principle you support.
Rick Langel May 09, 2013 at 01:34 PM
Oh, Joe. I don't have a problem with Jeff's facts. I'm simply pointing out that Jeff's facts don't match up to his claims. And what libertarian views do you have? Please explain.
maxine weimer May 09, 2013 at 01:44 PM
Rick, why is it you only want to stir up disagreements with the other side? Have you ever thought about just agreeing with someone to keep the peace? I have alot of friends who are on the "left" and we have agreed that its ok to not have to beleive exactly what the other does. Shoot my son and daughter-in-law are BIG time democrats and I love them more than anything. And beleive me we have had plenty of fights over Obama. But now we can be more civil about it. I guess my point is, like I said before, don't be so serious, the world won't end if you at least hear where they are coming from and not be on the attack all the time.
Rick Langel May 09, 2013 at 01:50 PM
Maxine, I am more than happy to have a civil discussion on issues with anyone. It's not me that starts the attacks. Progressive debate tactics are to isolate their "enemies" and mock and ridicule them instead of actually dealing with the argument and facts involved. Read Saul Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals". That's exactly what Jeff and Joe are doing, they are following the playbook to a T. I have lots of liberal friends as well. Progressivism and liberalism are different concepts. Progressivism has no interest in being civil. I hear very well where they are coming from, I understand it as well as they do. I listen to their arguments very closely, and then go into detail with supporting facts about why it's incorrect or off base. I go after their arguments, they go after me.
Mr. Clean May 09, 2013 at 01:51 PM
Everybody is getting hung up on these right-wing vs. left-wing terms. I would suggest, at the end of the day, "socialist" regimes and "authoritarian" regimes look a whole lot alike. Very authoritarian. In reality, ihe prols do not to power, and the bourgeois does not fade away.
maxine weimer May 09, 2013 at 01:58 PM
Rick I can see from your stand point that, that is what you would see, however to someone who is just reading the comments that isn't how it is interpreted. It seems you have to decyfer every word with an oppisite meaning and therefore the middle ground is never reached. If everyone beleived the exact same way, it would be a very boring world we would live in. And the differences are what makes us grow as a people.
Julie Kirby May 09, 2013 at 03:29 PM
Hey, Maxine! I tried my concoction of bacon, bananas and peanut butter on toasted Italian bread this morning...tasty! Maybe an acquired taste for some, though.
maxine weimer May 09, 2013 at 03:48 PM
Sounds good to me. I make the same sandwich only I deep fry them. Very good. But then I am from the south and deep frying may not be the healthiest way to cook but it sure does taste good! You know Elvis Presley's fave was deep fried bananas and peanut butter sandwiches, its better with bacon though!
Julie Kirby May 09, 2013 at 04:02 PM
Oh, yum!
maxine weimer May 09, 2013 at 04:12 PM
I know Joe, but its just not in my nature to give up on someone. I keep hopeing maybe just one single word I say might make a difference in the way he views others comments but I am left wondering if I even have that word in my vocabulary.
maxine weimer May 09, 2013 at 04:13 PM
Julie, my grandkids love peanut butter and honey on toast in the mornings.
Rick Langel May 09, 2013 at 04:19 PM
Joe, I'm more than happy to accept your explanation of your views. I welcome it. I also have the right to point out how your views are not based in fact, or have failed previously when tried. Your refusal says more about what you really believe and want us to think about what you really believe than it says about me. I've not "lost" any "battle" because unlike with Progressives I don't see my opponents as "enemies" on which I need "revenge", as Jeff's first comment on this post says. This is a discussion of beliefs and facts, not a place for attacks.
Rick Langel May 09, 2013 at 04:29 PM
That's the thing, Maxine, Progressives need to control the language. In order for their agenda to take hold, then need to define terms their way, and get you to believe without question that their term is accurate. A perfect example is the Nazi/socialist/right wing debate. Nazis weren't right wing in any way, every example brought up about why they supposedly were is a better description of socialism, and no reference to libertarian or right wing principles was ever noted. But because the claim has been used so many times, most people don't even think about it any more, and they just assume it's accurate when it is clearly not. I've talked often about how we need to agree on the facts. We can differ on what to do about the facts, or differ on what the facts mean, but we absolutely have to agree on the facts. Progressives want to define those facts their way, and they will attack anyone who doesn't toe their line. I'm ok with differences, Maxine, what I'm not ok with are people who are dishonest.
Jeff Klinzman May 09, 2013 at 04:43 PM
I had never heard of Saul Alinsky before TEA-dullards accused any and every opponent of using his tactics. If I had time, I'd do an homage to Lenin: "Right-wing Libertarianism: An Infantile Disorder!" Cue Mr. Oppositional Personality Disorder in three, two, one...
maxine weimer May 09, 2013 at 04:48 PM
I think like everything else in life, that there are always "some" on the left and "some" on the right and "some" in the middle on every issue that there is. No party is 100% all. You know I am a republican, but I still need to hear from and know how the left feels because it helps me with my own feelings. And there are plenty of things that I dissagree with the right on. So bottom line is both sides have good ideas and bad, its just a matter of what you, yourself beleive and what you don't beleive in dosen't really matter to you anyway does it?
maxine weimer May 09, 2013 at 05:48 PM
I agree Joe, I love to meet new people who have opposing views because it makes life more interesting, with long nights of long talks and debates. I can't count the number of night where we would be in long debates with friends when the sun came up. Those were some good times...........I don't have a dog, but my cat sure loves bacon bits!
Maria Houser Conzemius May 09, 2013 at 06:28 PM
Rick, you've heard of projection as a psychiatric term, right? You know, where you project what you yourself are doing onto other people, as though THEY and not YOU are the problem? I think you're projecting your own playbook onto others. The rhetorical techniques you're using, for example, everyone else has to prove everything they say but you don't have to substantiate your "facts," are well known in far-right circles. Your tactics are entirely familiar to me.
Maria Houser Conzemius May 09, 2013 at 06:32 PM
Hahaha! Yes, Jeff, and cue up projection, too, a term psychiatrists and clinical psychologists use when a person projects their feelings and tactics onto someone else as though THEY, not the accuser, have the problem.
maxine weimer May 09, 2013 at 06:56 PM
Hi Maria, how are you? Yes, "projection" is deffinetly used alot in the world of psychiatrists and cl. pyschologists. I read medical books like other people read novels. Its funny how projection is used even by children. It is bizarre what makes this old world go round.
Maria Houser Conzemius May 09, 2013 at 07:06 PM
maxine, I'm fine, thanks. And you? I like the way you're intellectually curious and want to know more about the world. I like reading about genetics, the history of the English language, and new medical research. Right now life has been kinda stressful with my Dad recovering from his third heart surgery in two months and my daughter moving to Davenport. I'm glad for both of them. Dad should feel a lot better soon with a new valve (bovine) for his heart. His aortic valve was damaged from birth, but he didn't know it till recently. Sarah got a fantastic new job in her field. She's going to be a water treatment operator in Davenport, making more money to start (at 24) than either of us has ever made in our lives. She went from abject poverty as a student living in a little hovel in Iowa City to a great new job and a nice, spacious, light-filled apartment with lots of windows in a beautiful historic neighborhood about six blocks from the Mississippi River, which is where the Davenport water plant is. It's all good news, but it's still stressful. I hope you're doing well.
maxine weimer May 09, 2013 at 07:55 PM
Well that is good news Maria. I am sure your sister will feel more secure making more money and being in a new environment. Thats exciting. And I hope your Dad continues to recover quickly so he can get on with his life. I'm sure you will miss your sister but now you have a new reason to go out of town! I think change is always stressfull in some way even when it is for a good reason. .
Rick Langel May 09, 2013 at 09:17 PM
Maria, when have I ever said I didn't have to substantiate my facts? Answer: Never. I have even offered to do so, asking what you'd like to know more about. You, on the other hand, as well as Jeff/Joe/Julie, will often outright refuse to even answer a clarifying question about things you've said. You can try to vilify me with claims like this, but the reality is quite different.
Jeff Klinzman May 10, 2013 at 01:07 AM
The first time I heard about projection was in an elementary psych class my freshman year. The prof explained it this way: "The people who talk the loudest about beating up homosexuals are projecting and repressing their own homosexual desires."
maxine weimer May 10, 2013 at 01:49 AM
Well Jeff I never really heard it used in that context before but it makes sense. So I wonder what it means to do the type of projecting that keeps being prejected around here!
Maria Houser Conzemius May 10, 2013 at 04:13 PM
maxine, you flatter me. She's my daughter, not my sister! We have many feelings about her success and move an hour away: joy, pride, and sadness. Our little girl is growing up; she's 24 years old and has a great job in her field. She started working there even before she graduated, but just two days a week. I like Davenport more than I thought I would. Sarah lives near the East Village, and the East Village is charming. St. Ambrose University is in Davenport, too. I knew it was somewhere around there but didn't know exactly where until I saw it. I do wish, however, that St. Ambrose University and Coe College had reported their pedophile to police instead of letting him resign. I hate the way colleges and universities are more interested in protecting their reputations than protecting their students and minor children from predators. Cue Penn State and more.
maxine weimer May 10, 2013 at 05:03 PM
Oh I am sorry Maria. I have been thinking about my own sister alot lately and must have been when writing to you. Yes they do grow up fast. My olderst is 39 and my baby is 31 (and still living at home I might add). And then I have two others who are 33 and 37. Two boys and two girls. Eight grandkids who are a handfull but so enjoyable! You know it just isn't right the way they protect the schools over the students and general population from those scum bags.
Maria Houser Conzemius August 28, 2013 at 02:17 PM
maxine, I'm sorry I didn't see your comment till now. I saw the blog post under "Popular Posts" and didn't realize it was "alive," so to speak, till May. Yes, it isn't right how they protect the schools' reputations instead of protecting the students. It is fair and just that Penn State administrators are paying for doing just that with their jobs, their future careers, and with monetary damages claimed by victims settling out of court.
maxine weimer August 28, 2013 at 02:42 PM
Maria...I just re-read this blog and have to admitt that I enjoyed it more the second time around! By the way, how is your daughter doing?

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