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Fight Against Gay Marriage? Not if the Iowa GOP Wants Young Voters

Young Republicans in Iowa are still split on the institution of marriage being extended to gay people. But there is a growing consensus among college-aged GOPers that in order to win elections, the party's focus should be elsewhere.

 

The second article in a two-part series. 

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Gay and lesbian campus groups and College Republicans haven't exactly been friendly to one another over the years, in Iowa or the rest of the country.

But there are signs that with this coming generation the trend could be changing, and for the Republican Party that could be critical. 

"As a young Republican, I see where the party’s coming from with the idea of traditional marriage, but I cannot support that aspect of the platform," said Victoria Hurst, president of the University of Northern Iowa College Republicans.

She said she supports many Republican ideals, but not the party's stance on gay marriage.

"America has bigger problems than who can and cannot marry; it is time to move beyond this and focus on bigger problems, like the federal deficit and unemployment rates," she said.

Many young Americans - Democrats and Republicans - feel the same way, including several politically active young Republicans interviewed for this story by Patch.

Read more in part one:

Will Desire to Gain Voters Prompt Iowa GOP to Change Course on Gay Marriage – Or at Least Muzzle Activists?

More than ever, young people support gay marriage.

A Gallup Poll in November of young voters aged 18-29 found that 73 percent support same-sex marriage. Almost a third of Republicans surveyed support gay marriage.

The Republican Party has been losing the battle for young voters in a convincing way the last three elections.

Now the GOP is having an internal debate over where gay marriage fits into the party's platform and message. The outcome of that debate could affect which party gains the loyalty of this next generation of voters.

Young Republicans Feel Pressure from GOP's Gay Marriage Positions

There is a stigma that the GOP doesn't like gays, and Republicans in Hurst's generation are feeling the heat from that.

It is something Hurst has experienced firsthand.

One of Hurst's best friends is a gay student at UNI who at first disliked her due to her political affiliation. Once they got to know each other better, and he learned her stance on gay marriage, they became fast friends.

"We were assigned a group project together, we got to learn a little more about each other, and he was very surprised to learn that I am not opposed to same-sex marriage," Hurst said. "We’ve been great friends ever since, and his family was even kind enough to take me with them to Florida over spring break last year."

Hurst said since they first met her friend has defended her on multiple occasions from other students who have judged her solely because she is a Republican.

The backlash over GOP's social stances puts pressure on young Republicans for their political party choice, especially on predominately liberal campuses, and may push away moderates the party hopes to attract.

For example, a few years ago on the University of Iowa campus, College Republicans received a scornful response to a campus email blast promoting their "Conservative Coming Out Week." The event's title alluded to identifying as a Republican on a liberal college campus as similar to the challenges of announcing you are a homosexual.

"(Expletive) You Republicans," a gay University of Iowa professor wrote in response to the event in an e-mail that went out to the whole campus. When the subsequent story on the response hit the press, and blew up into a national story, it once again thrust the awkward friction between campus groups into focus.

'A Losing Issue'

Natalie Ginty, 22, a former chairwoman of the Iowa Federation of College Republicans who was at the center of the "Coming Out Week" flap, said many young Republicans still firmly believe that marriage should remain between a man and a woman.

The Gallup Poll, for example, shows 30 percent of 18- to 29-year-old Republicans support gay marriage, but there's still another 70 percent who don't.

However, Ginty said there is a growing consensus among young Republicans she's spoken to that if Republican candidates continue to get sidetracked on issues, such as gay marriage, which mainstream Americans increasingly support, they will continue to lose elections.

"Young Republicans for the most part believe in the Republican platform and what it says on gay marriage, but if we want to win we need to stop talking about this and start talking about our fiscal issues better," Ginty said.

"It is a losing issue, there's just no way to deny it."

Ginty said that unlike other social conservative issues, such as abortion, which Republicans in Iowa remain largely opposed to in at least some of its forms, gay rights like marriage have split young Republican voters. 

Libertarian-leaning Republicans and Independents who might otherwise vote Republican for fiscal reasons have considered the opposite ticket, or voted third party, Ginty said, as they feel that the government should not be in the business of restricting freedoms for anyone.

Young Libertarians Gaining Influence in Iowa, Influencing Debate

Kyle Etzel, president of the Iowa State College Republicans, identifies with this position.

“Personally, I'm more Libertarian. I don't agree with gay marriage. I'm Catholic. … but I don't think that is something you can legislate,” Etzel said. "The Libertarian side of me says, 'I want the government to leave me alone.'”

Etzel said the Iowa State College Republicans are fairly evenly split between Libertarian and socially conservative Republicans. He said there is no clear consensus in the group on the gay marriage issue.

The Libertarian streak among college students in Iowa is a strong one, as evidenced by the large crowds drawn by Liberty movement hero Ron Paul at each of his visits to college campus this past caucus cycle. Some student Democrats even told Patch at the time that they would switch parties to support Paul in the Republican caucus.

Patch talked to several students this week on campus, both Democrats and Republicans, and none of whom felt gay marriage was an issue they cared about politically.

One Democratic student interviewed at Schaeffer Hall on the University of Iowa campus declined to give his name but said he considers himself fiscally conservative. However, the strong stance against gay marriage makes him unable to consider supporting the GOP candidate.

Tim O'Hara, 22, a UI senior from Park Ridge, IL, is a self-identified Republican who supported Mitt Romney in the last election.

He also supports gay marriage.

"It [The GOP's position on gay marriage] doesn't push me away from the party because I don't want to vote for a liberal who's going to make a federal law about it," said Tim O'Hara, 22, a UI senior from Park Ridge, IL.

O'Hara said while it may not push him away, he believes the Republican Party is losing a lot of moderate voters on the issue.

"I wish they would stop," O'Hara said of the GOP's traditional stance opposing gay marriage.

Is it the Message or the Delivery?

University of Iowa Professor Tim Hagle, an associate professor in political science and avid campaign watcher, said the Republican Party is in a bind right now, trying to determine how to improve its dismal recent performances with young people, women, Latinos, African Americans, and other minorities.

Hagle said the question lingering out there now is a feeling of doubt about messaging: is it the message that is driving these groups away, or the way it is being delivered?

"That's the fight that's going on right now within the Republican Party at the national level and at the state level, as well," Hagle said.

Hagle said that Republicans feel that if they could improve their fortunes with Latino voters, who were more supportive of George W. Bush, and tend to be socially conservative, it could improve their electoral futures. But part of improving their overall messaging to mainstream America could also be reducing the national party's emphasis on opposing gay marriage.

Hagle said that although it initially seemed odd to him that Ken Mehlman and the Iowa Republicans for Freedom would hold an event in a state that already has gay marriage on the books (albeit some would argue not by the public's vote). But he said, with key elections coming in 2014 and 2016 in Iowa, perhaps they are playing the long game to convince party insiders that the gay marriage issue is not a winner.

"If you want to make this point, the right time to do it might be in a non election year when people aren't so tense about candidates and an upcoming election," Hagle said. "You can actually sit down and talk to people."

Expect Resistance from Social Conservative Wing of GOP

But getting the social conservative wing of the party, represented in Iowa by influential religiously affiliated groups like the Family Leader, to stop campaigning on the issue may be easier said than done.

"Practically, the Republican Party dies if it abandons marriage," Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage, told the San Francisco Chronicle. "Social conservatives simply are not going to stand for themselves being read out of the conservative movement."

If they can't maintain this delicate balance and keep social conservatives happy while listening to the way the political winds are blowing, the question for Republicans may then become, which group - young voters or social conservatives - can they afford to lose more.

In the past three election cycles, the youth vote has swung strongly to the Democrats, including a 37-percentage point margin for President Obama in 2012. This trend could be a problem for Republicans, Paul Beck, a professor emeritus of political science, sociology and communication at the Ohio State University, told the Huffington Post.

Beck said Democrats could be developing a brand loyalty with younger voters that will last a lifetime, as Presidents Ronald Reagan and Franklin Roosevelt did for their parties.

"It's something Republicans need to worry about in the future, because they could lose that entire generation," Beck said.

(Patch Editors Alison Gowans, Jessica Miller, and Brian Morelli contributed to this report.)

Related Topics: College Republicans, Iowa GOP, Iowa State University, University of Iowa, and University of Northern Iowa

Warren Potter

12:40 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Belonging to a political party does not mean you have to agree 100% with the party platform. I consider myself a strong fiscal and social conservative and proud Republican yet I am 100% anti death penalty. If anyone says they agree 100% with their party's line I would question that persons conviction to their personal morals and values.

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Warren Potter

12:47 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

In my opinion the reason so many young people are pro gay and pro gay marriage is due to the indoctrination that is being allowed to take place in our public school system. The promotion of the gbtg lifestyle is openly allowed with groups like GSA (gay straight alliance), while the opposition which would be teaching religious values and morals is strictly forbidden. I am surprised there are any straight kids left now days with the media and schools shoving it down their throats at every turn that being gay is fine and even cool or that its normal. If anyone dares voice opposition to that school of thought they are labeled homophobic or a religious fanatic. UI anthropology/women's studies Professor Ellen Lewin's response to Republicans "coming out week" of "F You Republicans" is a stellar example. She was in no way censured or reprimanded for her public remarks. However had a professor said "F you Gays" I can only imagine the speed at which he/she would be fired and blackballed from teaching anywhere.
In my limited (thankfully) education when only one side of a topic or subject is taught that has two very different sides to it its called indoctrination not education.

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Stephen Schmidt

2:22 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

I don't agree that it's all some sort of overarching educational agenda setting that has changed opinions toward the lgbt community, it's the fact that a lot of young people, including young Republicans, have grown up knowing gay people, admired gay people in television and media, and even made gay best friends such as Ms. Hurst did. The gay marriage issue aside, do you feel that a general lessening of hostility toward gay people is a bad thing?

As for your point about religion in schools, even though I am not formally religious myself, I agree that there could be a more nuanced government position regarding religion in public schools, and hope there will be some day.

Either way, in the here and now, the Republican party is going to have to think about best to strategize about these issues, especially since you'd think with his success last time a strong social conservative like Rick Santorum might run again and do very well in Iowa.

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John

2:37 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

"I am surprised there are any straight kids left now days with the media and schools shoving it down their throats at every turn that being gay is fine and even cool or that its normal."

It is fine and normal. If troglodytes like you figured that out, it wouldn't have to be "shoved down your throat". Excellent choice of words though. Repub religious nuts like you are usually the closeted self-loathers.

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David Henderson

3:09 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

There are just as many straight kids now (percentage-wise) as there were 20 years ago. Parents didn't start having more gay kids, but now those gay kids don't have to pretend otherwise.

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Razi

3:22 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Being gay is not a choice. Telling a teen that it is okay to be gay does not automatically mean a boy is going to get turned on by other boys. Moreover; the "coming out as republican" thing was a media flop because it is insulting to those gays who have been beat up and harassed just because of their sexual orientation - which is not a choice. I for one was picked on in junior high for being gay before I even knew what it meant (I was a sheltered child)... as one who has been slammed into lockers and been made fun of - it is insulting to me to say that coming out as a Republican is as hard as coming out for being gay. When is the last time you heard of a republican getting beat up after leaving a bar because they seemed conservative?

Warren Potter

1:11 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

"If you're young and a republican you have no heart. If you're old and a democrat you have no brain"

I wish I knew who to credit that quote to but I think it speaks volumes to the whole same sex issue not just gay marriage.
Lastly.. Patch I love you guys but can we kill the word limit on replies so long winded people like me don't have to do 3 posts :-)

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Rod Hanson

1:53 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

I have never read more realistic and truthful comments that mirror my own opinions. Thank you Warren for letting us normal folks know there are others out there that don't buy into the political trends or rhetoric of the day.

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Stephen Schmidt

2:14 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

"Patch I love you guys but can we kill the word limit on replies so long winded people like me don't have to do 3 posts :-)"

Lol, I don't code the sites but I have run into this problem myself. i'll pass your comment along to the programmers.

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Stephen Schmidt

2:45 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Whoa there, John Costello, I'm sure how you thought that comment would get by without being deleted. Know graphic descriptions of sex acts in the comments section please. And while I'm at it, watch the personal attacks on each other.

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Stephen Schmidt

2:46 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Err, "no" graphic descriptions...

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maxine weimer

8:39 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Warren...the original saying is "If you are not a Liberal at twenty, you have no heart...if you are not a Conservative by forty you have no brain." Winston Churhill Actually I like your quote better.

John R Costello

3:17 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

whats with you rightwingers - and all your fantasies of things shoved down your throats....sex with relatives and kids? FYI - there are NOW in America - 1000's upon 1000's of MARRIED Gay cpls...yep, married.....they're marrying today, tomorrow, this weekend, next weekend...and HOW does That Affect you exactly..please do tell. ..cause' as far as I know 1000's upon 1000's of straight people married this past weekend - yet - thier marriages didnt affect me or my person one iota.......and the ONLY way it would affect you is - IF you had to buy a Gift.......Now, how about worrying about REAL problems?

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maxine weimer

5:57 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Rod Hanson you sound like me. I think Warren did a fantastic job of explaining the way alot of us feel.

Razi

3:17 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

the republicans used fear mongering and hate to rally voters in the Bush elections by introducing anti-gay legislation and by campaigning against other state legislation that was for either equality or for adding protection for gays in hate-crimes.... They started down this road and it snowballed out of control - now they cry "uncle" in the backlash saying that there are more important legislation to tackle now that the gay community and their supporters have pushed back. They will need to lose ground and give up DOMA and other bigoted legislation and won't even get back to where they were to survive. The times are changing - but they did it to themselves. They picked a fight they won't win.

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Warren Potter

5:57 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

First off so you all don't go grab pitchforks I'll show you I am not a monster. I have a gay daughter who I love very much. We have talked quite extensively over the issue and we understand each other. She knows I love her and accept her for what she is. However she also knows I will never promote her lifestyle. Examples - her "friend" is not welcomed to join her in my home however she is welcomed any time. If she decides to get "joined" (I refuse to call it married) I will not be a part of the ceremony. We each accept the other for who we are.

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maxine weimer

8:39 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Warren you could not be a monster on your worst day. And I totally understand how you feel about your daughter. My husband has three brothers who won't admitt it, but everyone knows they are gay. Besides them I really don't know any gay people except the ones I have encountered here on the blogs. If its not being too personal , may I ask how old she was when she first thought she might be gay? I guess I have always been curious because you always hear those who say that gays are just born that way, and then there are those who say it is a lifestyle choice. But for whatever its worth, I commend you and your daughter for being able to deal with it so openly and honestly and still be in such a loving relationship.

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Jon Trouten

10:32 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Warren: My father was quite loving to me too -- before I came out. Afterwards, not so much. We came to an agreement regarding my husband and kids -- which consisted of me tolerating his rude comments about what he thought about me and my husband so that I could spend tie with my mom. Eventually his comments spread to my sons and I had enough. I stopped calling and I didn't come by anymore for the last months of his life. And I really don't regret having enough of our truce.

Warren Potter

5:57 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

John is this not feeding right into my point of saying that if I don't agree with you I'm labeled a..... pick your derogatory term.
" It is fine and normal. If troglodytes like you figured that out, it wouldn't have to be "shoved down your throat". Excellent choice of words though. Repub religious nuts like you are usually the closeted self-loathers"
Please don't make this easy on me john I enjoy a challenge :)
David prove that point. Or is that your opinion?
Razi I never said groups like GSA were converting straight people but can we agree that some "gays" are in it for the shock value (as I think my daughter is) and not because they were born that way?
John C. One very basic way to show how gay marriage affects me. 20 years ago if I told you I'm married there would be no question as to the sex of my spouse. Now I would be open to question if my marriage is to a man or woman.
Stephen thanks I hope we can change the limit for all or maybe for people who comment a lot we could get a bit more leeway.
Rod your not alone its just too many of us are afraid to be labeled if we speak our mind.

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Kennon Gilson

4:19 pm on Monday, May 20, 2013

Thanks for the article. For info on people using voluntary Libertarian tools on similar and other issues worldwide, please see the non-partisan Libertarian International Organization @ http://www.Libertarian-International.org ....

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Kennon Gilson

5:57 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

Thanks for the article. For info on people using voluntary Libertarian tools on similar and other issues worldwide, please see the non-partisan Libertarian International Organization

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Nathan Hofstadter

9:22 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013

As long as the candidates continue to run on conservative social issues instead of running on a fiscal conservative plank, they will continue to lose elections.

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maxine weimer

3:09 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013

So is that what you think Obama did to get re-elected? He ran on a fiscal conservative plank? Actually I believe he ran on bogus promises and out right lies. It amazes me that the man can even sleep at night, but then you have to have a conscience to do that.

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Jon Trouten

5:34 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013

Obama was pretty consistent. Romney was the one who changed his script constantly. He would outright lie about facts on camera about some "fact" or about his opinion on something and then his campaign would issue written corrections later on. He would get caught in lie and called out on tem and then continue to repeat those lies or distortions. I lost a lot of respect for that man who was once to the left of Ted Kennedy.

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Nathan Hofstadter

6:52 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013

(Sigh.) No Maxine, I never mentioned Obama in my post. Off the top of my head, I can think of to rep candidates who lost due to over the top statements on moral issues. If they would have stuck to a fiscal message, the probably would have been elected.

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Rick Langel

6:52 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013

Jon, that's funny. Sad that you'd actually believe it, though. Obama would lie to you during the campaign and no one would call him on it. The media was in the bag for him, and they tightly controlled the message they put out, even controlling who got access to him. He did the fluff interviews, never getting asked a tough question ever. That's why the first debate was so awesome, because no one had stood up to him like that in the last 4 years and he just wasn't prepared for it.

maxine weimer

6:55 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013

I would not have chosen Romney for the republican candidate but since he was the one, I had to go with him. I still think Obama has lied and made promises that he has never kept and has no intention of keeping. But they all do alot of promise making while campaigning, its when they get elected and don't keep the promises that I can't stand.

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maxine weimer

8:06 pm on Tuesday, February 5, 2013

Rick, I so agree with you. Obama did get all the light interviews, and my God the press certainly was and still is in the man's pocket. It blows my mind the way he has everyone bamboozeled. Its like everything he says has a hypnotizing effect on "his" followers. He just makes me want to throw up. I remember how stunned and dumbfounded he looked during that particular debate and it was awesome. So Rick, who would you like to see run next time?

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